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		<title>By: chipjohnson</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4688</link>
		<dc:creator>chipjohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was a sad day for the FS community...</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon MacKay</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4594</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon MacKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the Twin Towers - Most of what was on AVSIM is distributed on folks computers Globally. &quot;You can&#039;t destroy the signal&quot;: if the basic structure can be put back together then between us we can all swarm back the data..?
I too would pay for secured access....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the Twin Towers &#8211; Most of what was on AVSIM is distributed on folks computers Globally. &#8220;You can&#8217;t destroy the signal&#8221;: if the basic structure can be put back together then between us we can all swarm back the data..?<br />
I too would pay for secured access&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4567</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a CRIME!  what a great tragedy, what lowlife could do such a thing..a bloody disgrace.</description>
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		<title>By: Skinny Puppy</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>Skinny Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Spinoza

Your namesake and Einstein shared a common belief.

My statement, which you quoted, doesn’t live in a vacuum and that’s why I quantified it when I said, ‘What does transcend the above statements is when there is TRUST involved.’

You posited a rhetorical statement (in the absence of a question mark) and a question.

The rhetorical statement, because of its sensitive nature, can’t be discussed on these forums. I’ll only mention that the quote came from Christopher Hitchens.

Your question is easy to refute. A blind man (or one can pick a poison, or pick an event) can’t ‘see’ and won’t have any visual knowledge to rely upon with regards to the deadly effects of stepping into the street in front of an oncoming bus. However, he will intrinsically trust the advice he’s been given, insomuch that disregarding It is guaranteed to be a deadly encounter should he decide not to heed the advice. Ditto the rainbow analogy.

@Trolly,

You’ve misconstrued my statement. The TRUST is FOR and OF the individual, not WHO or WHAT that individual TRUSTS. You’re taking it one degree too far beyond my intentions.

Puppy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Spinoza</p>
<p>Your namesake and Einstein shared a common belief.</p>
<p>My statement, which you quoted, doesn’t live in a vacuum and that’s why I quantified it when I said, ‘What does transcend the above statements is when there is TRUST involved.’</p>
<p>You posited a rhetorical statement (in the absence of a question mark) and a question.</p>
<p>The rhetorical statement, because of its sensitive nature, can’t be discussed on these forums. I’ll only mention that the quote came from Christopher Hitchens.</p>
<p>Your question is easy to refute. A blind man (or one can pick a poison, or pick an event) can’t ‘see’ and won’t have any visual knowledge to rely upon with regards to the deadly effects of stepping into the street in front of an oncoming bus. However, he will intrinsically trust the advice he’s been given, insomuch that disregarding It is guaranteed to be a deadly encounter should he decide not to heed the advice. Ditto the rainbow analogy.</p>
<p>@Trolly,</p>
<p>You’ve misconstrued my statement. The TRUST is FOR and OF the individual, not WHO or WHAT that individual TRUSTS. You’re taking it one degree too far beyond my intentions.</p>
<p>Puppy</p>
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		<title>By: baruchspinoza</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4546</link>
		<dc:creator>baruchspinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Puppy
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.’
Therefore I (and others if they wish to) can dismiss your negative posts completely.

----
Hmmmmm. What can be asserted without evidence....

If only life is that simple. By that definition, since no one can scientifically prove that God exists, ergo, God doesn&#039;t exist. Another simplier example, a person born blind will never see a rainbow, ergo, that too doesn&#039;t exist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Puppy<br />
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.’<br />
Therefore I (and others if they wish to) can dismiss your negative posts completely.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
Hmmmmm. What can be asserted without evidence&#8230;.</p>
<p>If only life is that simple. By that definition, since no one can scientifically prove that God exists, ergo, God doesn&#8217;t exist. Another simplier example, a person born blind will never see a rainbow, ergo, that too doesn&#8217;t exist?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been handling backups for a number of years.  The system managers or their bosses should be criminally negligent if they did not have offline backups.

According to the article from the BBC, there were two servers, both online to the internet at the same time.  The servers were backed up to each other.

Tapes may be out of vougue, but for &#039;melt down&#039; type disasters, offsite tapes at a secure vendor or proprietary location far away from the data centers are hard to beat.  Now tapes do need to be tested, and disaster recovery tests do need to be done regularly.

Online backups are still good for &#039;oh crud, I erased a file&#039; restores, but nothing for disaster recovery purposes beats offsite, offline backups with tested and verified recovery procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been handling backups for a number of years.  The system managers or their bosses should be criminally negligent if they did not have offline backups.</p>
<p>According to the article from the BBC, there were two servers, both online to the internet at the same time.  The servers were backed up to each other.</p>
<p>Tapes may be out of vougue, but for &#8216;melt down&#8217; type disasters, offsite tapes at a secure vendor or proprietary location far away from the data centers are hard to beat.  Now tapes do need to be tested, and disaster recovery tests do need to be done regularly.</p>
<p>Online backups are still good for &#8216;oh crud, I erased a file&#8217; restores, but nothing for disaster recovery purposes beats offsite, offline backups with tested and verified recovery procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared G</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4544</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the 9/11 of the flight sim comunity. &gt;:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the 9/11 of the flight sim comunity. &gt;:(</p>
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		<title>By: Trolly</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4534</link>
		<dc:creator>Trolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 11:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well puppy now I have read Toms ramblings on his &quot;Emergency&quot; Forum it seems his TRUST was what got him into trouble.

No Hacker simply someone HE LET have access to the database who had an motivation to harvest email address information.

That my firend is so common in out ever trusting Internet world it is not exclusive to just Flight simming.   Recently I know of a commercial company that unwittingly allowed access to its customer records and soon found itself slammed by the authorities for making the access so easy.  The company concerned excuse was &quot;we wanted to make it simpler for our customers&quot;!!!

Now it looks like TOM was to TRUSTING and allowed someone to take that information and destroy a database.

What was that about TRUST you were saying?   I dont trust anyone on the internet because theres allways someone with an agenda and you never know or realise who they are.

More amusing is calls for the Punishment of the offender!  One snag guys international laws complicate that matter and for what its worth probably come to nothing pursuing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well puppy now I have read Toms ramblings on his &#8220;Emergency&#8221; Forum it seems his TRUST was what got him into trouble.</p>
<p>No Hacker simply someone HE LET have access to the database who had an motivation to harvest email address information.</p>
<p>That my firend is so common in out ever trusting Internet world it is not exclusive to just Flight simming.   Recently I know of a commercial company that unwittingly allowed access to its customer records and soon found itself slammed by the authorities for making the access so easy.  The company concerned excuse was &#8220;we wanted to make it simpler for our customers&#8221;!!!</p>
<p>Now it looks like TOM was to TRUSTING and allowed someone to take that information and destroy a database.</p>
<p>What was that about TRUST you were saying?   I dont trust anyone on the internet because theres allways someone with an agenda and you never know or realise who they are.</p>
<p>More amusing is calls for the Punishment of the offender!  One snag guys international laws complicate that matter and for what its worth probably come to nothing pursuing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Skinny Puppy</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4533</link>
		<dc:creator>Skinny Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 09:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trolly,

I don’t normally get drawn into these types of negative posts, but I’ll make an exception.

I approach everything in life from a scientific point of view, I’ll do that here.

Carl Sagan once said, ‘Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’ 

You’ve provided none.

There’s also another saying that’s apropos here:

‘What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.’

Therefore I (and others if they wish to) can dismiss your negative posts completely.

What does transcend the above statements is when there is TRUST involved. The FS community has and will trust Tom’s statements until they’re PROVEN to be unfounded. 

Puppy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trolly,</p>
<p>I don’t normally get drawn into these types of negative posts, but I’ll make an exception.</p>
<p>I approach everything in life from a scientific point of view, I’ll do that here.</p>
<p>Carl Sagan once said, ‘Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.’ </p>
<p>You’ve provided none.</p>
<p>There’s also another saying that’s apropos here:</p>
<p>‘What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.’</p>
<p>Therefore I (and others if they wish to) can dismiss your negative posts completely.</p>
<p>What does transcend the above statements is when there is TRUST involved. The FS community has and will trust Tom’s statements until they’re PROVEN to be unfounded. </p>
<p>Puppy</p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
		<link>http://www.simflight.com/2009/05/13/avsim-destroyed-by-hacker/#comment-4532</link>
		<dc:creator>francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 07:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case anyone here missed it: http://linux.myalbemarle.org/forums/index.php</description>
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