Le LiveinFSX team sent us a note about their upcoming Kahului Airport (PHOG). “….. It is a regional airport in the state of Hawai’i, located east of the Kahului CDP in Maui County on the island of Maui near Haleakala. Most flights into OGG originate from Honolulu International Airport; the Honolulu-Kahului corridor is one of the busiest air routes in the USA, ranking 13th in 2004 with 1,632,000 passengers…….”. “…… LiVEinFSX presents a small early preview of our upcoming project which will bring you to Maui-Kahului Airport. The scenery will feature (with the help of regional authorities) all detailed airport terminal structures, vehicles and car parking areas, with the highest quality of customised ground textures that faithfully re-produce the scenery of Kahului airport. Further to that, the scenery package will include large day/night photoreal coverage with customised models and full autogen. The best destination for this summer, Maui-Kahului Airport !….”. More info here.
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it appears these developers are using illegally ripped imagery who’s owner is digital globe – there is no public domain imagery of this island and the cost for this dataset is over $8000 – be aware if you purchase this scenery you will likely be aiding a developer to commit a crime
woohh.. as we understand the product has yet to be released. we will make sure the developer reads your comment above.. it might be a good idea for you to contact them directly through their website.
That’s a huge claim! So the guys of NEWPORT – VFR MAUI X are also using illegal material? Likely not…
hahahahahaha i think miguel is right. Paul its may a good idea that you contact the developers first and not here. Because whe are only selling the product. Whe are not developers. And the scenery’s is not out yet 😉 hehehe. So where is that claim come from ? 🙂
Paul how do u know what the coverage of the photoreal is? Not sure how much Newport spent for this huge coverage but It may easily be just a couple of hundred USD for a small area..what do u mean public domain!?!?. How many “public domain” sceneries do u know of? Please know your resources before making such claims
Until it’s seriously proven, there’s no copyright infringement by anybody, first.
Second, copyrights infringements are NOT criminal but legal offense.
Last, simflight.com comments is not the correct place for throwing the opprobrium through personal supposition made public – but of yours only – what that has been for now.
Its is not legal to use google maps or things like that and sell it. But if they manipulate it. than it will be difficult to claim something. So that means the scenery is not out yet. Nobody can claim anything.
So I think everybody got his point here!
It depends where the data has come from.
I just investigated getting aerial photos or vector data to use simply to draw over to recreate a missing Lough in Northern Ireland – that single lake alone was going to cost the best part of £1000 if I got it as aerial photographs from Ordinance Survey NI (the people who paid for the photographs to be taken). If I wanted to distribute those photographs, for example as phototextures in FSX, then there was also additional license fees to pay and the original “access” license would cost more.
Note that this is not common around the globe. Much of the US has been photographed by the US Government, which I am led to believe is usually available for use by the US public, as they are considered to have paid for it. Hopefully someone with the knowledge to do so can confirm that, but most of the world has, indeed, only been covered by private companies who then own the rights to the photo imagery and you are only allowed to use it within the written terms of a license – the terms of use for things like GE, Virtual Earth/Bing and Yahoo Maps without purchasing a further license are actually very restrictive.
It’s quite possible that developers have bought commercial use licenses. I guess we’ll have to wait and see whether the documentation states “Imagery licensed from XYZ” when the package is released.
Seems like a lot of fuss about this scenery and it is not even out yet…..what aboutall other sceneries throughout these years with photoreal coverage ?..only about 1 in 10 will state whether or not they have license for rendering and redistributing..
I think it’s a valid question. I had to point out to a freeware developer the other day that if he uploaded a photoscenery that he had taken from GE then what he was doing was illegal. He didn’t seem to care.
In reality, it is very simple. You cannot download and *distribute* – not just cannot download and sell – imagery from GE, Yahoo Maps, Bing Maps, etc, without purchasing additional licenses. If companies have purchased those licenses, whether they state so or not, then they’re fine and there’s no problem.
If they haven’t? There’s no difference between that and distributing any other form of software that you don’t have the right to do so but, because people can openly view and there are tools available to import aerial photography into FSX, some people assume that there is no problem doing so. I don’t doubt that many of them don’t even realise that the data they are using is legally protected and they’ve never known the license exists to read or abide by it.
That in itself makes this a discussion worth having.
that’s true although many terms of use refer to the distribution of the image itself..
anyway for most sceneries I came across even from the biggest distributors, it is:
purchased: yes
licensed: unknown